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what is your OS MAC - WIN?
what is your virus OS?

Quoted from "Marc"

Quoted from "Shesh"

ill the the filter parameters (labelled 1 & 2 IIRC) be accessible from the mod matrix?

hopefully they will. pretty much all mod matrix destinations are used up right now and we need to make some space.

I'm just posting this here in case it gets missed in the other thread.

Osc 1 Wave Select & Osc 2 Wave Select are surely prime candidates for removal, as pointed out in another thread these are parameters which should not be tweaked during a performance - suggesting that they could be removed from the destinations list & not be missed.

Quoted from "heckmat"

@ a_b_tml

what is your OS MAC - WIN?
what is your virus OS?

Win 7x64

Virus OS is 3.3.5.02... Its the latest version that would actually install without rollback error for me.

Quoted from "Ruari"

Osc 1 Wave Select & Osc 2 Wave Select are surely prime candidates for removal, as pointed out in another thread these are parameters which should not be tweaked during a performance - suggesting that they could be removed from the destinations list & not be missed.

Actually, quite a few legacy patches will have made use of this, as you get quite a cool wave sequence type effect when you modulate this parameter.

Quoted from "BC"

Quoted from "Ruari"

Osc 1 Wave Select & Osc 2 Wave Select are surely prime candidates for removal, as pointed out in another thread these are parameters which should not be tweaked during a performance - suggesting that they could be removed from the destinations list & not be missed.

Actually, quite a few legacy patches will have made use of this, as you get quite a cool wave sequence type effect when you modulate this parameter.

I stand corrected, you are totally right but this effect only seems to work properly if you have the classic oscillators selected & are over at the wave side of the oscillator shape.

Selecting wavetable or any of the more complex oscillator types does not sound anywhere near the same for me.

Quoted from "a_b_tml"

Quoted from "heckmat"

@ a_b_tml

what is your OS MAC - WIN?
what is your virus OS?

Win 7x64

Virus OS is 3.3.5.02... Its the latest version that would actually install without rollback error for me.

have you ever tried on fresh windows?
it's better to install only necessary driver for your mainboard!!!

Amazing as always! Thanks Access! Looking forward to the new filters and envelopes

One question though:
Why are the new filters "removed" from the filter interface and instead placed in the effect part of the Ti? This made sense for a frequency shifter, but now it kind of separates the extra filters. I'm guessing the default filters are hard-wired into the synth, with the new ones being more of an insert effect, but why not make them the part of the filter interface, perhaps similar to the new envelopes, having a tab for switching between filters, and more importantly, having a direct modulation link section?
It won't matter to the expert users ofc, as we'll tweak it though the mod matrix, but your less techy users might find it less than obvious to use and modulate, not to mention being in a bit of an unexpected place.

Just an idea...

Quoted from "LfmC"

Amazing as always! Thanks Access! Looking forward to the new filters and envelopes

One question though:
Why are the new filters "removed" from the filter interface and instead placed in the effect part of the Ti? This made sense for a frequency shifter, but now it kind of separates the extra filters. I'm guessing the default filters are hard-wired into the synth, with the new ones being more of an insert effect, but why not make them the part of the filter interface, perhaps similar to the new envelopes, having a tab for switching between filters, and more importantly, having a direct modulation link section?
It won't matter to the expert users ofc, as we'll tweak it though the mod matrix, but your less techy users might find it less than obvious to use and modulate, not to mention being in a bit of an unexpected place.

Just an idea...

Agree!
+1 ...

Quoted from "LfmC"

Amazing as always! Thanks Access! Looking forward to the new filters and envelopes

One question though:
Why are the new filters "removed" from the filter interface and instead placed in the effect part of the Ti? This made sense for a frequency shifter, but now it kind of separates the extra filters. I'm guessing the default filters are hard-wired into the synth, with the new ones being more of an insert effect, but why not make them the part of the filter interface, perhaps similar to the new envelopes, having a tab for switching between filters, and more importantly, having a direct modulation link section?
It won't matter to the expert users ofc, as we'll tweak it though the mod matrix, but your less techy users might find it less than obvious to use and modulate, not to mention being in a bit of an unexpected place.

Just an idea...

From my understanding the difference is that the new filters are not polyphonic. In the normal filter section each note triggers the a new filter envelope. Imagine the filters in the fx section as an external piece of gear that processes the audio signal. Please correct me if I am wrong but that´s how it should work.

Quoted from "Fireshark"

Quoted from "LfmC"

Amazing as always! Thanks Access! Looking forward to the new filters and envelopes

One question though:
Why are the new filters "removed" from the filter interface and instead placed in the effect part of the Ti? This made sense for a frequency shifter, but now it kind of separates the extra filters. I'm guessing the default filters are hard-wired into the synth, with the new ones being more of an insert effect, but why not make them the part of the filter interface, perhaps similar to the new envelopes, having a tab for switching between filters, and more importantly, having a direct modulation link section?
It won't matter to the expert users ofc, as we'll tweak it though the mod matrix, but your less techy users might find it less than obvious to use and modulate, not to mention being in a bit of an unexpected place.

Just an idea...

From my understanding the difference is that the new filters are not polyphonic. In the normal filter section each note triggers the a new filter envelope. Imagine the filters in the fx section as an external piece of gear that processes the audio signal. Please correct me if I am wrong but that´s how it should work.

That's basically what I said. And yes, they're probably gonna be monophonic, which is a shame as that makes them a lot less flexible, but as with any parameter they can still be modified by an envelope/LFO, and IMHO, filters always benefit from a GUI that provides an easy way of linking them on the same page. Especially the envelope, which is basic part of most (if not all) filters; cut/res/env
An analogy would be a chorus/phase effect with the rate/depth being done only via the mod matrix. It COULD be done that way, but it's not very practical.

But again, it's just my opinion, coming from use of a lot of VST synths, which over time, developed a kind of "standard" for these things, created by a decade of experimenting with GUI's and feedback from users. Kind of like how, in the beginnings of the VST era, many developers experimented with the fundamentals of the interface; tweaking the knobs was linear, circular, etc, resetting the parameter was done with a different key in each VST.... but over time it all became standardized.

However, I'm sure Access knows what they're doing, and whatever the final interface for the OS5 will be, it won't stop me from using the tasty new filters