Access Music User Forum

Hi,

i try to use the VC ,just with the USB out, to simplify the work of the virus TI.

and after 1 or 2 hour of work on ableton, the parts play by the virus was desync, and i must to move forward the midi note to resync this.

i save this setting in my ableton set and when i reboot ableton, i must move reward the midi note to resync.

there are an another problem, when launch the song it's not sync all the time, and i must push the stop bouton many time to try to resync the part play by virus.

i thought the problem was when i use analog and USB out a the same time, but not the problem is real and i think the tempo sync in VC mode could be update.

it's really bad to make sound and to be not sure that the tempo was good ....

could you search the problem, i'm not alone in this case if i read the previous message in this post.

i want to pay for an update with a good tempo sync, its really important.

live version 7.0.18, mac pro with 10.6.2, RME multiface.

could you tell me if it's possible to sync ableton with the virus clock and not The opposite, perhaps this tips could give me a good tempo sync.



could you tell me if it's possible to send the midiclock of midiclock to virus by midi port and not by USB port when we use the vc ?



how can i check the DPC latency of my computer, DPC latency exist on OS X ??



thx for your support

I don't understand how people can use the Virus Snow in any professional setting. The Virus Control simply does not work. Latency is crazy and it is IMPOSSIBLE to create a monitoring situation where the MIDI will accurately reflect what you hear. Trust me I've tried every possible angle on this. And now this. It doesn't sync up with Ableton, its MAIN HOST!!!!!!! Jesus!!!! It just doesn't sync!!!! Then theres the option of just using it like a normal hardware synth with a MIDI cable and analog outs but NO! Unbalanced outs!!! The noise is impossible to work with!! Who was it that had the balls to say "lets put unbalanced outs in this thing to save money, no one will notice". Rediculous, this is the most worthless musical tool I have ever encountered! Needless to say it will be on Ebay tomorrow!

Aubrey

sync issues here too - os x 10.5.6/ableton 8.1.1/ SNOW VC TI OS 4.0.0.18

Quoted from "sharkbarf"

even when recording is quantized midi seems to fall an 1/8 note before I played it. Even when I move the midi clip over to the correct spot it will still play a little behind.

sharkbarf,

are you using the analog outs?

marc

Quoted from "ElMute"

and after 1 or 2 hour of work on ableton, the parts play by the virus was desync, and i must to move forward the midi note to resync this.

i wonder what i need to do to re-create this situation. just letting ableton live run in a loop seems to not do the trick. so we need to work on this. one word of advise though. assuming that the virus drifts gradually out of sync and it suddenly there is a static offset, the worse thing you can do is to move notes. this way, the next time you boot up (and the offset is probably gone), those notes will be at the wrong position in time.

best, marc

Marc and company,

Macbook Pro
RME fireface 800 soundcard
Live 8
TI

I'm with you Marc. Why post a question if you aren't going to follow up. My experience with Access for the last 9 years is that the staff is all about making working out issues. Thanks by the way.

The timing issues between the TI and Live are well known. Playback sync wanders and recorded midi notes never land in the right place. I have run countless tests of simply tying to sync a recorded midi note input with Lives metranome and cant get remotely close. Often the notes are a sixteenth off. I've even plugged in my old Indigo with old school midi just to be able to input midi (which is to say record music as it's played rather than inputing it with a mouse) as any musician would expect to do in this modern day. Old school Virus B, C, and Indigo with old school midi never had this kind of trouble but then Access didn't have a reliable library system like the TI. Running Ableton in Live mode DOES NOT solve the problem. (Sorry Marc) Using Live as the sync host, using the TI as my sound card and taking my RME soundcard completely out of the loop DOES NOT solve the problem. Ableton has never responded to the issue other than to ask if I am using Live mode. May we all feel each others pain.

Look Ableton bretheren, I, as many of you, waited for a good long time to update to Live 8 waiting for them to work out the timing kinks. I had to believe the issue was with Live as not only TI owners have serious issues with Live timing. I expected it would be solved in version 8 so I laid out the cash a couple of months ago to find that it may have gotten worse. And that was it. I came to the end of my relationship with Ableton. I purchased Logic, plugged it in and the problem has dissapeared. Poof. Years of frustration with Live, years of letting a DAW crush creativity and flow, and just like that it's over. Logic and the TI work together flawlessly for me. (Use Live mode of course) So Timster, mate, it's not a cross platform issue for me. I really believe Ableton is just not up to the professional standard it needs to be. And bless them for making a DAW that was so easy to learn. It has opened up musical creation to thousands of people. Has many great ideas. But . . . I know we are all a bunch of starving aspirants and already invested in Live but look . . . what to you want to do for the next few years, write music or fight software.

Two cents

Cheers