the ability to shape the attack and decay on both envelops to gain a softer or plucked shape would be cool
this is possible ever since. refering to the "programming analog synths" tutorial,
here is an example:
eg you want a plucky decay,
- take an "init" or any patch and set the "Amp Env Sustain" to zero (so the effect is most obvious);
- go to "Matrix" and set "Amp Envelope" as source and "Amp Env Decay" as destination and
- turn the slot-amount about halfway down,
now when you play a note you will notice that the amp decay curve has a concave character.
respectively, if you turn the slot-amount up, you will get a convex envelope shape.
note that turning up the slot-amount has the opposite effect when changing the attack-curve, but
the principle remains the same.
of course, this also works for the filter-envelope.
best regards, gravity
recursive modulation,i know
its not a really safe thing to do though
i agree that it would be more elegant to just bend the envelopes to the desired shape,
but i don't see anything unsafe about the existing method...
however, you could have cleared things up that you're asking for an alternative in the first place
recursive mod is good. But when I look to DECAY it isn't linear drawn. It already has some character with it. It would be maybe better to make it linear to and then if you want a convex or concave one. To start from a linear one.
I Also would be very happy if they could be shaped in vstmode
Don't get me wrong... I already am very happy... Just try to brainstorm a little here...
Recursive mod eats up one modulation slot in the matrix.
It is also not an intuitive way shaping the envelopes - it's a pure technical approach you have to know about.
I have to say I was totally shocked when I learned that the virus doesn't have a envelop for modulating parameters......using the lfo in envelop mode just doesn't give you the same control, at least not without going though a whole bunch of hoops......why did access omit such a basic feature???
...I guess optimizing DSP load by a lean synth model... as this is somewhat old and inherited in tradition of compatibility from the early virus models.
Didn't Access say that recursive modulations are no longer supported? Thought I saw Marc mention something about that a couple months back... Ah, here it is:
"recursive modulation was always considered to be a trick which never was officially supported. it works in most cases but in some, it might not. back in the days when the tutorial was written, the virus was a lot simpler and therefore the chance of side effects was much smaller.
Does a envelope really use that much DSP, there has to be another reason why this was omitted......
I spend most of my time making leads, so the envelopes I have do me very well. However, when I have tried to make more SFX type presets or atmospheric pads/layers I do find that the time variation is somewhat limited - sure the LFOs can give periodic variation, but a 3rd envelope could give a nice progression to the whole affair. The LFOs in envelope mode do give this to a certain extent, but mostly by tinkering with a sawtooth envelope - it is very limited and hard to get an ADSR type structure to it...
me 2 bud
ive suggested thatr the arp to matrix function could be expanded to have a drawn envelope over a timeline sort of affair if you get me
If recursive modulation to shape envelope segments isn't officially supported then I think there should be direct parameters for segment shapes of envelopes.