Beiträge von watuse

Zitat von joshuadav

I think you're misunderstanding what this whole thread is about. It's not about voices or polyphony. We're discussing an inherent workflow issue on the Snow. Having access to more than 4 channels of MIDI would prevent users from having to deal with saving out patches, erasing automation, or having to render MIDI to audio frequently. If I have to mute a channel to free up voices so I can continue writing and allowing inspiration to flow, it's a lot easier than having to break from that moment of inspiration and creativity to bounce out audio when I may not be ready, or replace automation on that channel.. Having those sorts of limitations can slow down creative workflow.

Now if there is a workaround or something that I'm unfamiliar with, I'm open to hearing about it. But so far, the only solution I'm seeing is 'buy the ti2 desktop.'

Your right again I bought the virus ti because I cannot shell out the 1700 plus euros for a desktop Ti but to think that the blofeld is only 369 euros and you get to use 16 part midi thats more than a bargain and a great synth, I will tell you this, if I find myself using more the blofeld by the end of this month I am returning the virus and get my money back. or probably get a venom, by m-Audio

Zitat von joshuadav

I use a Virus ti2 desktop at work and I love it. For sound design and music production, it's my favorite tool in the box. I was planning on getting an Access Virus Snow for home myself, but due to the 4 channel MIDI limitation, I am not anymore. I'm very disappointed to see that the representation from Access on this thread implying that the Snow's 4 channel MIDI was designed as to upsell to a version that's over a grand more in cost. Really? For a digital hardware synth, I find it a bit of a shame that Access would do this because we're only asking for Access to broaden the ability to improve the workflow of the synth and the TI control VST, not add more voices or performance enhancements. If I could have 16 MIDI channels, even 8, it would prevent the Snow from being a headache to use.

Because of the Snow's 4 MIDI channels, I've decided I'm most likely going to grab the Moog Slim Phatty instead for the sake of getting something truly analogue. Access just lost me as a customer for the Snow. I'm with Straius on this, what is the point of the Snow for customers if it's only designed to upsell to the desktop? $1200+ is still a lot of money for a synth these days and people want 2011 functionality for their dollar in something as cutting edge as the Virus. 4 channel MIDI = not very 2011 for a digital hardware synth in my opinion. I'd love to see Access follow up on our concerns and improve this aspect of the Snow. I think it'd be a great, bang for the buck synth that Access and its customers could be even more proud of.

I could not agree with you 100 percent for real, but if you saw my video the damn virus with all the polyphony power being eat up and only 3 instances is able to play decently by keeping the quality of the sound even though it has to be eating away by the others.

the virus in order to function correct it has a different way of handling it's polyphony sometimes putting tow pads would use up the polyphony and what you get is that one would sound just the first hit almost like if there is no release I will post an example of this later on the day.

here is the video
http://youtu.be/PXv0s7gsPyc

Zitat von watuse

I totally agree with you 100%

Zitat von straius

@Crystal

The used market doesn't generate any profit for Access. And I'm fine with less polyphony, no keys and no knobs. If there was nothing but an LCD screen on a box with a USB out... I'd still be fine with the hardware. I'm talking about a modification in how you interface with the snow. Not extra processing power, hardware or other advancements. Improving an existing tool's effectiveness, not it's capabilities. People seem to keep missing that distinction. It's an important one. And one you should care about as a consumer of any of their products.

watuse

The capabilities and limitations aren't comparable between the two units because their architecture is going to be entirely different. Depending on how the instrument is developed it will have entirely different limitations and problems to work around.

I believe that what Marc is saying is that streaming all those audio channels (very data intensive) discreetly would be impossible for the snow. No surprise there. That's one of the differences you pay for with the Desktop.

But I don't want audio channels... I just want the MIDI channels, which should not be an intense data stream requiring the amount of bandwidth that the TI itself does. But my understanding is general and maybe there are architecture reasons that present a huge problem to work around with the snow.

I totally agree with you 100%

If it's not a technical limitation and simply a strategy on Access' part... I don't understand the logic behind that. Improving your most accessible range generally means that you get greater market penetration and that in turn, generates more revenue and mind share for the product manufacturer. It seems like a win-win feature to me.

Someone either has the money for a Ti or they don't... Improving how an artist interfaces with the snow may push some people to spend less money, but there will be plenty more buying a snow who wouldn't otherwise to offset the minority that can afford the Desktop.

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Zitat von Crystalashes

My friend, for the price of a new snow, you can buy a second hand virus ti, and all your problems will go out, more polyphony, more knobs, 16 midi channels...oh, wait!! no keys ?? no pitch and mod wheel ?I want at least 20 keys in the desktop, a pitch and a mod wheel, but I don't want to buy a polar, because I don't need so much keys, and it's moooore expensive!!!

why would i want to buy a second hand virus not knowing what the other person put the virus through, if he has gone and done a live act in open grounds where people have been stomping their feet all night lifting a cloud of dust, and getting the equipment all dusty. How much care has he put into the synth itself, lots of people are not careful with their musical instruments. Smoking cigarette etc etc, I like to buy the product new fresh or maybe a B Stock to the most part because your buying an equipment with full guarantee that its not going to fail on you.

Look I love my virus Ti Snow and I like compact powerful synth like the virus ti snow and the blofeld, as a matter of fact today I just purchase a waldof Blofeld desktop, Both would be a sonic combo that would blow anyones imagination to musical creativity. Mind you the blofeld has less polyphony, 25 voices, and it could put out 16 part instances, So something here is not making any sense to me; virus Ti Snow has way more polyphony, but yet you are hinder to 4 instances, But like I said now that I have the blofeld I could live with the virus ti having 4 instance. I am going to have some major fun with the blofeld, and at only 369 euros, thats a bargain there are VSTI for that price and you get a crappy vsti synth but meanwhile you pay 369 euros for a virtual analog synth that has a unique sound engine.

Hope Access could reconsider their option about opening up more instances for all the DAW out there because if the big brother has 16 why not open 8 or 6 instances for the virus snow. But if they start to keep this type of business, more likely someone would go and buy a blofeld and a doepfer, believe me I have friends who told me I wish I could get a virus but its always out of my league and guess what synth they have gotten a doepfer or a blofeld.

what the virus users want is this capabilities which I believe it could be done
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…ture=youtube_gdata_player

Watch the video.
I just purchase a blofeld today first it's more accessible in price and sound quality it is amazing also
But it has 16 part multi timbral.

I think it would be nice if you guys put 8 part midi in for the snow and keeping the higher end brothers with 16 part that sounds more than reasonable.

http://youtu.be/OVKlG0CAhxs

well to say that bandwidth is a problem is not so clear to me, I have a blofeld which I use most of the time in my production and live set and it offers 16 parts in my DAW with no lost of quality, mind you the blofeld has much more less polyphony, never encounter any loss in quality. Do not misunderstood me I love the virus ti it's an amazing synth, but I just don't get it why the blofeld could have 16 part and the virus doesn't, I believe that with this much polyphony power under the hood, enabling 8 parts would be a big improvement, also a bang for the buck if it only had 8 part instead of 16. I believe people would buy this unit if they cannot afford the destop Ti version. I for o e would love to see this enable. Also you mention that it is ableton that shows those 16 part. I have to say that your wrong this only happens with the AU plugin, with the VST plug in it only shows 4. if you want I will post a link video to this post so you could see what I am talking about.

yeah but if you have a virus ti snow your limited to only 4 parts, thats the sad part.

would there be a possibility to have 8 parts in a future OS because the Blofeld does enable 16 part and it has way less polyphony than the virus.

the video I posted here shows clearly that in the 5 min mark the midi input of the virus shows that the software is giving the option of 16 part multi timbral.

Thanks I will keep this in mind.

Zitat von Ruari

What do you mean by auto-filtering?

What I mean is that the frequencies go up and down or it could do LP HP BP etc on the frequencies with out you having to manipulate the knobs. Kind of like the auto filter in ableton live.

when you check out the video go to the 5 min mark thats the part that shows the AU showing the 16 part multi timbral.

http://youtu.be/q8fIH-tMm7k

This person is right, when you load the AU of the virus ti snow, and you try to create a midi channel for the parts it shows up as 16 part but when you load the VST one of the virus snow it only show 4 parts, either they are going to come up with the final beta with 16 parts or its just a bug, but to say that the blofeld with just 25 polyphony voices, the blofeld does indeed has 16 part multi-timbral, thus with less polyphony. So meaning either they are going to pull out and able to put 16 part or 8 part, I think with 8 part multitimbral would be fantastic, I am posting a video showing that there is indeed a bug in the AU or access is going to activate soon a 16 part multi-timbral for the snow Ti.

here is the video as you could see when I select the ableton live routing for the midi part of the snow it shows me 16 part snow ti
http://youtu.be/q8fIH-tMm7k

this is only with the AU not the VST the VST only shows 4 parts.

Zitat von Marc

i'm not aware of any OS version for the snow featuring more than 4 parts. the user interface of the snow does not enable you to select more than 4 parts and so does Virus Control. in fact, the snow was always advertised as a 4 part synth. so which OS version do you refer to?

marc

http://youtu.be/q8fIH-tMm7k

I wish there is a way that you could put Auto Filtering on the Ti software.

I am using an iMac 27 inch and its plugged in the back. directly I do not understand why I get this message.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/29161071@N00/5758982179/
does anyone has this problem with their virus ti system.