Beiträge von fgimian

Just wanted to also echo one of nicoroy123's points.

Since removing the Virus TI from my setup earlier this month (disconnected, uninstalled drivers and Virus Control), I have had absolutely zero problems with my setup. I actually just completed a track which has been signed and I had zero (that's right ZERO) issues with Cubase 6.5.5 x64 and my other plugins. Not one crash, not one hang on exit, not one hiccup.

It's amazing how much you actually get done when you don't have to worry about this sort of stuff and most importantly, I'm absolutely stoked with how the tune turned out and so is the label.

Synths I used were Massive, Spire, Sylenth1 and Razor all of which give the Virus TI a good run for its money soundwise. Razor is particularly interesting, highly recommend checking it out

As I mentioned in my post above, I totally understand why people would love the Virus TI as a hardware synth, but for many people like me who have been spoiled with VST technology, we just bought the Virus TI to use as yet another VST instrument in our DAW since there's no fully soft version of the Virus synth. Unfortunately, the synth fails on this front.

Needless to say, my Virus TI will be going on sale very soon, it's in absolutely great condition, hardly used (literally)

Cheers guys!

P.S.: To Marc, I did report all my BSOD and crashing issues and provided logs and minidumps to Access Music support (Ticket ##SI00077645). I hope it will at least help make the synth more stable for other users.

I discovered this same problem when upgrading to 5.0.4.02 beta. The issue is not present in the stable 5.0.3.00 version which I highly recommend everyone use instead. I emailed Access about this and they confirmed that this is a bug in the 5.0.4.02 beta version. I suggested that this version be pulled off the Access website but this has not occurred.

Hope this helps!

I must add my +1 to this thread. The Virus TI is the finest sounding synthesizer out there, but Virus Control has been and still is very problematic. Recent OS versions have also brought new issues such as crashing my host (Cubase) and BSODs during driver installation.

For the last few years, I honestly rarely used my Virus TI because it was just too much trouble to deal with.

I recently decided that I would really start using the synth again and immediately came across these problems along with the synth losing sync randomly or just being completely delayed for a period of time before returning to a lower latency performance.

With soft synths like Spire, Massive and Sylenth1, I simply can't justify to keep the TI around much longer. If the issues can't be resolved in the next couple of weeks (which is naturally very unlikely), then I will be putting it up on eBay.

The hardware and DSP on this synth are the best out there and I could totally understand it being ranked as #1 in those respects, but Virus Control lets it down big time and really makes it no easier to deal with than any other hardware synth.

Hey there guys, I wanted to share with you a methodology that I have put together to allow any Virus TI user to make complete use of all 6 stereo outputs.

Getting everything hooked up

For this to work, you're going to have to purchase one of the following sets of cables:

• 1 x S/PDIF (for OUTPUT 1) and 4 x TSR cables (for OUTPUTS 2 and 3)
• 6 x TSR cables (for OUTPUTS 1, 2 and 3)

You'll naturally also need an audio interface which accepts 1 x S/PDIF input and 4 x balance analog inputs or 6 x balanced analog inputs.

If you wish to have the closest representation of the sound as you would get with the USB audio on your Virus TI, then you should go for the first option whereby you make use of the S/PDIF on your Virus TI.

Once you have purchased these cables, hook each of the respective outputs up to your audio card inputs. I own an RME Fireface UC and have everything hooked up as follows:

• Virus TI S/PDIF O (digital OUTPUT 1) -> RME Fireface UC S/PDIF IN
• Virus TI OUTPUT 2 L/R -> RME Fireface UC BALANCED LINE INPUTS 5 & 6
• Virus TI OUTPUT 3 L/R -> RME Fireface UC BALANCED LINE INPUTS 7 & 8

Important: Ensure that these inputs are muted in your audio card's mixer console.

Creating an external instrument to facilitate the 3 extra stereo outputs

Using external instruments in Cubase is awesome because it properly delay compensates the remaining 3 stereo inputs that would otherwise be unused. To do this, follow the steps below:

• Go to Devices / VST Connections
• Select the External Instruments tab
• Click on Add External Instrument, set Stereo Return(s) to 3 and change the name to Virus TI Extra (or any other name you like)
• Expand the instrument and associate each Return Bus to the related input on your audio interface so that Return Bus 1 corresponds to Virus TI OUTPUT 1 and so on

The resulting external instrument should look something like this

[Blockierte Grafik: http://s22.postimg.org/hkxvzv035/Virus_TI_Extra_External_Instrument.png]

Using the external instrument to get access to the additional outputs

Now when starting a new tune, create an instance of Virus TI Extra in addition to your usual Virus TI and activate all outputs for each of these 2 instruments. I tend to drag the 3 additional outputs into the Virus TI folder on the arrange page and delete the Virus TI Extra folder like so...

[Blockierte Grafik: http://s30.postimg.org/tzigajsq9/Virus_TI_Arrange_Page.png]

A final thing I always do is add an additional +2db of input gain to any channels which are coming through analog inputs to compensate for the level reduction through the D/A converters of the Virus TI. You may wish to measure the difference on your setup too but on mine, the analog outputs were 2db quieter than the USB and digital outputs. I use the input trim to compensate for this difference.

In addition, you should enable Solo defeat on the 3 Virus TI Extra channels so that they remain soloed when you solo a Virus TI MIDI channel. You can enable Solo defeat by holding down Alt and clicking on the Solo button for each Virus TI Extra channel.

Here's what your mixer should end up looking like:

[Blockierte Grafik: http://s21.postimg.org/5o5upfdg7/Virus_TI_Mixer_Setup.png]

Using all the outputs

If you've made it this far, then everything should be ready to rock! You may now use ALL the 6 stereo output choices for any part.

As such:

• Out1 L+R -> Virus TI Extra 1
• Out2 L+R -> Virus TI Extra 2
• Out3 L+R -> Virus TI Extra 3
• USB 1 -> Virus TI 1
• USB 2 -> Virus TI 2
• USB 3 -> Virus TI 3

Note: Naturally, using the Direct output for any part will now send the output to Virus TI Extra 1 and won't be zero latency since it's now going through your audio card's latency. If you use a pretty low latency (256 samples or lower), then this should still be very easy to work with. Another point to be aware of is that any VST effects you apply to Virus TI Extra 1 will be heard when you use Direct monitoring so consider keeping this channel pretty clean (perhaps it's a good idea to use this as your main summing channel for channels which won't go through independent processing).

Hope that someone out there finds this helpful!

Hey there guys,

I (and I imagine many others) often setup the SURROUND OUTPUT to directly route to a higher end reverb plugin so that we can use it across many sounds on our Virus TIs. It is possible to send a signal to the surround output via the Dry / Wet balance in the COMMON page but this is less than ideal for this purpose and isn't the way send effects normally work in a DAW. When using the Dry / Wet balance, the original signal level naturally drops as you send more of it to the surround output (reverb).

I propose that a second mode is made available which allows the dry signal to remain untouched and instead the user can choose to send any amount of the signal to the surround output (post Volume fader). This would behave similarly to sends in a DAW and allows the Dry signal to remain at the original level regardless of how much signal is sent to the surround output.

Thanks!

Alrgihty, I have a solution!!

Solo Defeat is the answer to my woes here. Simply hold down Alt and click Solo on each of the the External Instrument Audio channels.

This will ensure that the channels are always audible, regardless of which channels are soloed.

Zitat von flabberbob

This is interesting, because usually in a setup such as this, the analog channels play too early due to delay compensation - even in LIVE mode where the time difference is really short (maybe you added some delay yourself?).
I think if you can send from one MIDI channel to more than one destination then in setup (1) you can send the same Virus MIDI channel to both the Virus and the dummy external MIDI device (which will send the MIDI data nowhere but might create a linkage that will keep the target channel soloed as well).
Good luck.

Thanks a lot for your reply and help

In regards to timing, I too had a similar experience to you. The analog outs would play out early if you enable monitoring via your audio interface which doesn't get compensated by the DAW. But when routing the audio into audio tracks or external instruments within Cubase and incur the latency and delay compensation of the DAW, everything plays perfectly in sync

I've tried 2 approaches to get Solo to work:

• Using a MIDI send to send the MIDI from the Virus TI MIDI channel to the dummy MIDI channel. Unfortunately, Cubase doesn't seem to look at the sends when you solo the MIDI track though, so the associated dummy MIDI track (and the extra Virus audio channels) unfortunately didn't follow my Solo.
• Create a dummy MIDI channel that's hooked up to the dummy MIDI device and grouped it with the Virus MIDI channel. Unfortunately, this lead to unexpected and erratic behaviour when using the Solo button (a bug perhaps?) ... so that didn't help either.

I've checked out a few other DAWs to see if any can do it, and I think that most simply can't, especially those that make a clear distinction between MIDI and audio tracks. I'm just downloading the Ableton live demo to see if it can do it as I suspect that maybe it can.

A TI3 with USB2/USB3 and 16 USB outputs would resolve this problem. It would also be ideal if there was a way to use the Virus Control plugin in a non-multitimbral way since that always causes more work in DAWs like Cubase.

Hey there guys,

I've decided to hook up the 3 hardware stereo outputs so that I may have 6 independent stereo outputs available in Cubase. I have managed to get this working in the following 2 ways:

1) Creating an external instrument (with no MIDI device) that contains the 3 analog outputs. In this case, I simply create a Virus TI and a Virus TI Extra (the external instrument) and I have all 6 stereo pairs available.

2) Creating 3 stereo audio tracks, setting the input and enabling monitor.

The main problem I'm having with both these approaches is that soloing the Virus TI MIDI channels doesn't also solo the analog outputs in my Cubase mixer. This does cause frustration and I'm wondering if there's a better way?

I've tested 1) rather thoroughly and things do seem to work well. Analog channels play in sync with the USB outputs, but the solo behaviour for the additional channels is quite a problem.

Thanks heaps!