SO THIS FORUM IS FUNKY WHEN USIG MY IPHONE... IT MAKES EVERYTHING CAPSLOCLED. I ALSO CANNOT COPY PASTE TEXT IN THIS DIALOGE BOX... KNOWN ISSUE, OR AM I THE ONLY ONE?
Posts by kcinsu
I am glad it didn't come out before my gig tomorrow... I wouldnt have been able to resist installing it, and its never a good idea to mess with your stuff before a show
i agree with every point completely!
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a truly fantastic feature would be it's own full screen on the editor, where graphs broke down % usage of each patch, showed how many voices are currently available for each patch, and adjustable, dynamically.
YES! also, one shot mode... no looping of the pattern
I would love both of these features! esp voice count selection
3 was regarding what I wanted that's all... not a definitive number.
Hint: Load the sample mp3 into audacity or your favourite wave editor. Show the sample mp3 in spectral view. It should be pretty obvious on some of the stuff that is in there especially in conjunction with listening to it.
Hopefully I haven't said too much with the above approach (like letting the ENTIRE cat out of the bag.)
wow, I loaded it up in my spectrum analyzer, I see what you mean... very cool!
3? Where's that number coming from?
Edit: double post... Sorry
did i hear the atomizor as a patch effect, and not just for external signals, on one of those demos?!
surely there is an alternative?
I love my modular G2... those LEDs are so great.
This truly would be a dream synth... virus with LED encoders...
never gonna happen.
what? are you kidding? The breathing light of the Virus and my Macbook Pro are the only signs of life in my room. It's the closest thing I have to a relationship in my life right now.
I love you guys! tell me that story about the blleeeeepppp blooop again. You guys tell it so well!
So this issue persists... Even in Live now.
Atomizer will work for awhile, and the suddenly stop. Sometimes all you need to do is restart the virus and the daw, but more often than not I have to completely restart my computer. Very annoying.
OSX 10.4.11 latest versions of logic and live and virus os3.3.0 beta, as per the reccomendation in this thread
kcinsu - completely agree with your aims 100%. Ive feature requested this kind of thing in Live lots of times - I guess most people just dont understand/see the benefit
The argument that you can use CCs is fine *if* what you want to control is available as a CC. As for drawing all you automations in a single lane - sorrry - its useless for session view where you want often independent clips for controlling indepent parts.
So what I have resorted to is using the mod matrix (spare slots allowing) to map some CCs to groups of parameters within the TI. I keep the CC #s I use consistent, so there is basically only a small number of Cs I have to remember, so selecting them in the drop down list is easy. Sadly it means Im forever running out of matrix slots - so I feature requested more matrix slots or a seprate simpler midi control matrix with Access - I dont they were impressed/could see the point and/or Im not depeche mode etc.
I guess the real answer given that DAW manufacturers are all increasingly softwrae only focussed is for Access to ditch the single plugin instance architecture and develop a new multi-plugin architecture - upto 16 plugins for the full TIs and upto 4 for the Snow's - this might finally solve the TI keyboard/polar/desktop vs Snow plugin compatibility problem which TBH has been a nightmare for us after being told they wold be compatible by a store as well as solving the shared automation track headaches (which have basical made use of automation completely non-viable for me - may as well be an entirelyy separate hardware synth if it wasnt for virus control as an editor.)
I think Im started to drift very much into the "want an entirely software TI plugin camp - integration as is just inst working" - ie forget the hardware - intergration just isnt good enough (USB and other headaches) and the single instance plugin architecture is just a pain. if access made a dedicated controller of appropriate build quality and created a software plugin, ditched the audio part of the TI concept - then perhaps I might at least find the workflow I wanted in the first place. Ive had a TI since the first first TIs shipped - and thinking back over those years - it hasnt exactly been the pleasent ride it should have been. These days I tend to use other synth plugins - *just because it less hassle*, though the TI is allways my goto digital synth to actually play independent of a computer - its just a shame that the integration have never been close enough to being my idea of what integration should have been.
Lets hope someone sees sense and rethinks it one day - it isnt that hard to make work - Ive done multi plugin instance to single hardware interface instance plugins for other purposes, so Im sure Access could manage it - given a will to do so - it might given them alot more design flexibility in the future too for future products
I'm glad someone sees my point of view clearly! I was starting to think I was being too demanding... as everyone else seems rather indifferent about it.
The multiple plugin idea is great... I wonder how hard that would truly be? The tricky question though, would be how to handle the USB audio, since it is limited to 3 stereo outs. I guess there could be the Virus Main plugin, and then the Virus Part plugins?
But yeah... I suppose this is mostly on Ableton. I made a post on their forums as well, but no one responded, and it was quickly buried among other posts.
My entire reason for investing in hardware, is to be able to perform with it in real time. As you said... there are certainly many instances of me wanting to use a plugin, just because it's easier... but then I am limiting myself in the long term by not being able to build my tracks upon an interactive performance setup.
I do feel a bit like the names "Live" and "Total Integration" are deceiving. I can't record clip automation on the fly in Live, and the TI is obviously not TOTALLY integrated.
But, I don't want to come off as just complaining... I do love this synth, and I am enjoying Ableton... but I'm just frustrated by what seems to be major limitations.
I had problems right after installing 3.3.0.00 as well.
Firstly, the atomizor no longer works in Logic 9.02. If it is on input mode, it works fine... but as soon as I switch to atomizor, there is silence. I've tried loading other atomizor patches, restarting the virus, logic, and the computer, and taking out the chords of the virus, and pressing arp edit on startup. no luck.
I tried using the atomozior in the latest version of live, and it works fine.
also, I used to be able to restart the virus while logic was open.... it would then reload the VC. now, it gets stuck about halfway, through (with the little white status thingys in the VC). I have to fully quit logic, restart the virus, and then open logic again.
Ok, now the atomizor doesn't even work. it works for those first few minutes, and then went silent.
if i put the virus on input mode, just to run FX, it works... but as soon as I put the atomizor on, the audio drops out.
ive tried restarting everything (computer, logic, virus).
edit: I just tried it in Live... it works fine. For some reason it will NOT work in Logic. Agh!?
hmmm, just installed 184.108.40.206 beta
the issue remains
No, I actually get it very clearly... it's just that the features I would like, aren't implemented.
Also, I'm aware that recording to session view isn't availible, but I didn't say I wanted that. I said I draw a lot of my clip envelopes manually... while recording them would obviously be nice, I'm aware that's a Live issue, and a big one that might not be fixed.
I really don't want to use the arrangement view... I have Logic, and I'm very fluent in it... I'm not looking for a new DAW... what grabbed me about Live, would be the ability to play the software.... live. I want to make entire sessions that are all just clips that I could trigger off in real time, so my entire workflow in Live revolves around the session view. Having all of that automation only on the VC track is useless... whenever I triggered a clip on the VC track, ALL the automations would change, for every part on the Virus. They need to be independent.
Now, certainly I can just assign MIDI ccs, and that will achieve what I'm trying to do... but workflow-wise, it's a total buzz kill. Like I said, I don't want to reference CC assignments every time I want to add/change a parameters automation. I just want to go to the drop down menu in a clip envelop, and see all the names for all the parameters, select it, draw it, and be done. New clip, new material/automations.
But, it just isn't so, so I'll have to alter my approach. Unfortunate, but there are much greater tragedies in the world...
Also, I'm skeptical about the Max For Live add on, adding session view automation. It's been such an in demand feature, that ableton would have been advertising that by now... I'm sure people would upgrade to M4L for that alone.
Now if you mean the flexibility of Max may allow for some other approach to recording automation... that may be... but again, I doubt it is Session View Automation, in the most straightforward sense/implementation.
I'd love to be wrong on that though....