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  • a quick question about logic 8

    Zitat von Marc

    no, you don't - you just have to configure logic in the appropriate way as tomski suggests. it works here with logic 9. @tomski, does it work for you in the tutorial song (which doesn't use the routing you've lined out)?
    best, marc


    Marc - could you adivse how then please? Always assumed it was not possible.


    Also Marc - I have had a ticket logged with support for over a week with no response to get VC working as I got communication errors again - any idea what's going on with a response pl?

  • How to use Sysex with the Virus?

    hi there


    A beginner question here around Sysex I would appreciate any pointers on - sorry if obvious!


    If I wanted to use the Virus without VC, and just as a multi timbral synth controlled over midi, I understand that I could save the settings on to the Mac through Sysex for recall later.


    So I would use Sysex Librarian from Snoize for the Mac.


    My question is how can I attach or insert the Sysex files into Logic so Logic would transmit the Sysex to load up the Virus with the right presets?


    Is this possible? Or would I have to save along side the track somehow?


    I basically won't remember what files go with what song. This is not helped by a stupid habit of naming everything in a childish way. Amusing at the time for about 0.5ms and really annoying anytime afterwards.


    cheers, simon

  • there is no professionalism in this

    Zitat von soniklab

    Yes that solution did show some improvement for me as well but I still had issues! and so did the Ti :P It's a constant shifting problem :D


    As a pointer to others, someone I know on Cubase 6 found this was the way to solve most of his problems, USB for the plugin, audio outs to analogue.


    BTW Let us know how you get on with the Zed, I much prefer dedicated hardware to Mice and screens but then I grew up on hardware :D


    So far the Zed has proved difficult to install and get communicating with Logic. The basic transport functions now work (took 5 days, temperamental doesn't cover it) but the faders and other midi controls are just going haywire, so some programming needed there and Allen & Heath's documented methods do not work - had the Absolute Music Tech support verify that (they, like Access support have been great btw).


    Also the Virus now has communication errors since the Zed installation. I get the error message on VC start up. It does then fire up but it's clearly not right as notes are dropping out and still getting pops etc.


    So I'd say it's two steps back so far!


    Got a ticket logged with Access support to try and troubleshoot so more soon.


    It's never easy, I'll be glad to start making some music and potentially this set up will be great.


    cheers

  • there is no professionalism in this

    Zitat von soniklab

    I hear your pain. In my experience the only way the Virus is stable is not running it as a plugin in Logic. Midi and audio outs - old skool but the USB/TI is just too flaky for me, and yes I have spoken to technical support - who are brilliant - and followed al different ideas from the forums - but still the Virus is crap when running it via USB for me. Every time a new OS or Beta appears I download it for the TI2 hoping this time it will be better but I always return to the old fashioned way eventually. What with the arps falling out of sync, tuning drifting and crashes plus it also just never 'feels' right over USB - thought the last part is a personal thing! Resigned this might always be the case! :S but still I love the Virus Ti2 :)


    I think this is my position too, again, the support is great.


    I have just bought an Allen &Heath Zed Z16 desk so that I can/will use the analogue outs of the Virus.


    The R16 desk allows you to route the analogue signals through Logic's plugin's and back into the channel for mixdown. So it's an analogue/digital combination where every analogue instrument can be treated as a virtual ITB one with plugins on the Logic channel inserts.


    That's the theory at least as I can't get the ***** desk software to work at the moment!


    There's always the pain, but I'll report back as soon as I have it set up how it works. I am aiming to keep the VC plugin working over USB and just assign the outs to analogue thereby taking the audio away from USB. Hopefully that will sort any timing issues and the pops out.


    After owning the Virus for about a year it's a shame it doesn't do quite as promised in terms of plug and play, but you still get great sound - this really should be stressed - and polyphony. Plus real knobs to fiddle with which I work better with.


    I'd buy it again despite the headaches I have experienced, caused probably by the new Mac Book chips. I have had to revise my set up and my expectations were that set up would be a bit more plug and play, but we should all know better than that these days. I refer you to my experience with the A&H desk (currently waiting for tech support to turn up for work on Monday).

  • Anyone use the analog outs and just Ti over the USB link?

    Zitat von flabberbob

    RE: (1) The external instrument plugin comes in place of the VC plugin. You cant have them controlling the Virus together since the VC hijacks the "synth MIDI" port for its own use. Since the external instrument plugin was made to be compatible with all possible devices it has only the bare essentials, meaning that if you want to control the Virus parameters from the Logic you have to send MIDI data to it yourself.


    Oh bugger, there was me thinking I'd got it licked! I'm with you now thanks.


    Zitat von flabberbob

    RE: (2) You should view the R16 as a pipe. A very clever and flexible set of pipes, but still, whatever comes in, comes out the other end (plus some added latency from the R16 itself, but I guess you hardly feel it, or it is compensated by Logic if it regards it as a soundcard). If you put through it something that is already out of sync, it won't fix it.


    Yeah Logic will view the R16 as a soundcard and will compensate as a result. But as you say it needs to have the External instrument plugin on the Virus and not VC so it goes in in synch.


    Zitat von flabberbob


    The bottom line is, if you use VC with physical outs, during playback the sounds will play a little sooner from the physical outs, because Logic is compensating for the MIDI to audio round-trip over USB.


    Yep, got that.


    Zitat von flabberbob


    During recording, Logic cannot guess what notes you are about to play so it send it exactly as you play it, and you will not get the sound before its time.


    But during playback it knows the notes that will be about to be played and if you have External instrument plugin it can therefore delay the notes being played (to synch in with other things with plugin latency).


    Now, this is interesting as you basically have summed up a half formed idea I had at stupid o'clock this morning when I woke up about a workaround:


    Zitat von flabberbob


    Come to think of it, you can add a plugin that just introduces delay (without modifying the audio itself) to the Virus audio outs track in Logic. Bypass it when you are recording, and use it when playing back. You can calculate the amount of delay needed by playing the same MIDI track through Virus and another virtual instrument, and delaying the virus using the said plugin to sync up with the virtual instrument output.


    Yes, I was thinking along the same lines here. Mainly around the possibility of using a plug in on the Virus channels whilst using VC to just introduce latency that Logic then slows down the Virus audio output by.


    Of course a delay of some sort would do this as you say, but I wonder what would be best and what settings? You wouldn't want to degrade the audio in anyway, just leave it unchanged and simply delay the sound starting by a few ms.


    I guess there's only one way to find out and have a play around.


    Unless it's easy and works well sounds like a nice suggestion for Access to develop a plug in :)


    Feels like some progress in my understanding here so thanks again for your thoughts Bob, much appreciated.


    cheers, simon

  • Anyone use the analog outs and just Ti over the USB link?

    Thanks Muzikman2008 and Flabberbob, appreciate you taking the time to reply here.


    I'm going to purchase an Allen & Heath Zed R-16 desk as I will have a few new bits of outboard to plug in e.g Moog Slim Phatty along with a drum machine and of course the Virus to avoid sending audio over USB.


    So I'm slightly puzzled about the latency issues and how it will all be handled by Logic 9. Few questions as I think my brain is getting there slowly with your help in working through this:


    Part 1) Staying with the Virus for now, assume I have the Virus set up as it is right now using VC with everything going over USB - both midi and audio fed in/out of Logic.


    But I then go into 'Common' in VC and change from USB out for a part to 1 of the 3 the physical analogue outs.


    I then connect a jack/s from the Virus into the A&H Zed desk. So I'm still using VC but a physical analogue out now.


    Flabberbob, you are saying that the Virus part will now play back out of synch and a little ahead as Logic previously delayed/correctly synched the USB audio signal with everything else correct? You say there's no way to disable the plug in latency on Logic for a single plugin.


    The Logic 9 manual confirms the same:


    As Logic Pro has no direct control over the audio outputs of external devices, plug-in latency compensation cannot work for MIDI tracks that trigger external sound modules. If you activate full plug-in latency compensation and insert latency-inducing plug-ins, external MIDI signals will be out of sync with the delayed audio streams.


    And then it offers the solution:


    Logic Pro allows you to circumvent this issue with the External Instrument plug-in: Insert it (as you would insert a software instrument plug-in on instrument channels) to route the audio outputs of your external MIDI devices to the inputs of your audio hardware—and monitor them through Logic Pro. This allows you to compensate for the delays of any audio streams coming from MIDI devices during playback.


    And this is the previously posted link containing a quick tutorial about how to set all this up:


    http://audio.tutsplus.com/tuto…ment-plugin-in-logic-pro/


    So this would hopefully seem to be a way for us new Mac users - or indeed anyone - to still use VC and get good audio quality if we have a desk or device with enough inputs to use the physical analogue outputs?


    I'll let you know how I get on as soon as I can try it but if someone could confirm the above makes sense that would be great.


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    And now for the bit that is a little beyond me at 6.30am...


    Part 2) As I will be using an A&H Zed R16 it has a Firewire connection so that it integrates well with Logic/DAWs and basically controls the Logic mixer, plus it has transport, midi controls etc.


    Soundonsound review of it here: http://www.soundonsound.com/so…s/allenandheathzedr16.htm


    It has a few buttons on the individual channel strips that allow you to route the signal in various ways.


    One button is to send that channel's signal (oh, let's say a Virus Ti..) to a Logic channel so you can apply plug ins to the analogue signal from the desk. The signal that then appears from that channel on the Zed 16 desk would be the Virus plus whatever plug in you had applied in Logic, say a reverb.


    So in the above example you would get the Virus physical output with a reverb from the Logic plugin all neatly integrated. Which is what VC lets you do - except we're avoiding the Virus audio issues of audio getting a bit funny over USB.


    So that's really clever frankly, and I spose what I'm wondering is if given how the Zed 16 works as described in Part 2 here, do I still need to do Part 1(above) of setting up the Virus in Logic as an external instrument?!


    I spose I mean to say that because at the touch of a button the A&H Zed desk integrates with Logic plugins and would route the Virus through plugins does it automatically compensate the plugin latency itself independently of how you set up any instruments?


    Or does the Zed desk need all instruments to be already pre-synched prior to hitting the button which allows the Logic plugs ins to affect the channel strip signal?


    Hope this makes sense and welcome any thoughts on any of this.


    I woke up at 4am thinking about this and now off to be shattered at work for the day.. :wacko:


    cheers, simon

  • Anyone use the analog outs and just Ti over the USB link?

    I haven't tried it yet and had to pack my studio away for a week while it's being carpeted.


    However, my thoughts are you can use Virus Control for Ti whilst still using the analogue outs. Why wouldn't you be able to do this?


    Flabberbob (or anyone) could you confirm this is possible please? Sure I did it once already..


    And Flabbebob you say if I still use VC but with analogue outs I have to disable the delay compensation in Logic? How do I do that please?


    Cheers for the advice

  • Anyone use the analog outs and just Ti over the USB link?

    So, I wondering if instead of putting audio through the USB, does it help if you put it through it through the analogue outs instead?


    Does it help with the communication: i.e keep everything in synch, avoid dropped notes, help the arp work in time and generally lessen the load of the USB connection by removing the audio load over the USB?


    Any thoughts appreciated as considering trying this but it involves buying a desk obviously..


    cheers, simon

  • Virus TI2 does not work with newer MacBooks

    Zitat von Fuseball

    I know that if I had to buy a new mac, I would quite likely lose the ability to use the Snow in my studio due to the newer, inferior handling of USB on the i5 and i7 models. it sounds as if PCs using these chipsets have exactly the same problems.


    If Access wish Ti users to be happily making music with their synths well into this decade, then they might need to address this issue sooner rather than later. Personally, I would like to see them develop at least a USB 2.0 upgrade for the Ti range, with the ability for current users to send their existing synths to Access to have the upgrade fitted (for a reasonable fee of course). :)


    Agreed.


    This is no-one's fault, Sandybridge chips weren't made in consultation with Access of course, but never the less it is causing set up issues and frustrations and would ideally be resolved by an upgrade option.


    I'm sure development costs would be large however.


    Not sure about USB 2.0, surely Firewire or Thunderbolt now!

  • Virus TI2 does not work with newer MacBooks

    Zitat von Marc

    simon,does this change in any way when you don't use the cinema display?thanks, marc


    No change Marc.


    Also, when looping round a 32 bar pattern (for example when initially building up a track) the arp (when 'hold' is clicked on) gets thrown out of synch immediately when the cycle loops round and repeats.


    It is annoying as I love arps and they are unfortunately not usable. Happy to send you a Logic project if you would take a look?


    cheers, Simon