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This has nothing to do with the virus and everything to do with FLStudio. So I recommend going to the official FL forum and asking the developers why, after 10 years of development, they still didn't implement real-time latency compensation and real-time export into their software. The problem is Image line has decided to make sure their software caters to amateurs, and as powerful as the program is, it will never be a choice for producers using hardware, as the support for it in FLStudio is abysmal.

And just to make sure you understand where I'm coming from, I've been using FLStudio for over a decade, know it inside out, loved it to death, and watched it grow from a silly loop tool into the software studio it is today. But as soon as I started using hardware, I had to switch to cubase. Not because I wanted to, but because FL makes it frustratingly hard to use hardware synths in their program, primarily because they still can't handle the latency any external hardware will produce. Not because external hardware has latency, but because their signal must must travel through the PC which does have it. Hence, until they get with the program and implement real-time latency compensation and real-time export like pretty much every other program out there, no hardware user will ever make FLStudio their 1st choice. Not when there are so many great DAW's out there which make it a breeze to work with external gear. There are workarounds to all this, but they completely kill the workflow and make it a chore to use the virus inside FLstudio.

What baffles me, however, is that Image line is actually contributing to the bad rep FLStudio has/had of being an "amateur audio program" by blatantly ignoring any needs of the professional, and focusing exclusively on the amateur and/or software/only user.

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Same problems here.

3 days ago i went to the studio, Virus TI was stuck on the "welcome" process (welcome > jittering > welcome > jittering > welcome > ect....)
I tried reset it, holding arp edit button while plugging the ac adaptor in, nothing changed.
I tried reinstalling the Virus OS from the virus control center, no changes.
So i changed the moterboard battery with a new one, since the "welcome screen stuck" problem could be given by a dead battery.... no changes.
So i tried downloading the latest beta release, installed it and then update the virus os... first update failed, second update was ok.
At the moment, after the last update, Virus won't boot up at all (no welcome screen), sometimes the display randomly flashes, sometimes the white leds do the same, but it has died.

Just wrote to access support, any idea in the meanwhile?

Steve.

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Sounds very similar to what I've been experiencing with my Ti. My latest problem was fixed by replacing the Ti power cable with a universal one @ 12V. You could try that, but be careful. The wrong power levels could fry it. Besides that, my 1st problem was solved by leaving the Ti unplugged for a whole day, then plugging it in. It also showed no signs of life, hence the reason I forgot I plugged it in in the 1st place.After a few hours it just came back to life on it's own. Other than that, there is really little you can do, unless you know your way around electronic circuits.

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how did you get hardware test?

hold exit + tap buttons while connecting the power.

And... again I got it working!
It seemed odd it would keep rebooting right when it was supposed to go from boot up to full power, but would work in update and hardware test mode, so I switched it into hardware test mode and tested out all the led's separately. They all worked fine, but when I tried testing them all at the same time, the Ti would reboot again. That, combined with the weak LCD backlight, got me thinking about a power problem, so I tried a new universal power adapter and... it WORKS! AGAIN!

My Ti really does have 9 lives.

.... and it started again.
This time the symptoms are different, but the results are the same: My Virus Ti is useless.
It all started (again) 2 days ago when I did what I do every day: turn it on from standby mode. It started with the welcome screen as always, but then, half way through starting up, the screen started to jitter (backlight blink very fast, like an old monitor with a low refresh rate) and it turned off. Then it automatically started to turn itself on again, showing the welcome screen and again, turned itself off. And now I have it stuck in this infinite loop. Crashing on startup and rebooting.
I tried leaving it on like this, hoping it would eventually come back to life. Nothing. I also tried unplugging and going into update mode and hardware check, both of which work but only for a few seconds, as it reboots all the time, reseting the virus mode in which it's in. Tried leaving it off for a whole day, and that actually made a difference, as the next day I manages to turn it on and switch to bios update mode! I then proceeded to run bios update from virus CC, only to have it reboot again, mid update, and it is now not only rebooting all the time, but it also shows the "update failed - please re-run installer"

What is up with this virus of mine?? It's practically brand new, never left the studio, not a scratch on it, and it's dying on me. I can't afford a new one right now, and I've got the last 3 years of projects tied to it.
So any help and/or tips on how to re-animate it back to life is very much appreciated.

EDIT: I managed to get it working in bios update mode long enough to finish the bios update to the latest beta version, but it didn't help. Now it's just stuck on the welcome screen, rebooting every time after the little animated blocks stop and the Ti should finish loading..

v4.5 fixes the problem. Thank you Access

Is there any advantage to using the vst3 version of the virus control?
Also, I remember the vst3 version was not recommended for use - why? has anything changed in the meantime?

Thx

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yes, that's the part i was replying to because i wanted to know what you refer to. it is not uncommon, that things break with an update. it is also common, that support doesn't have enough information to reply meaningful and correct. and depending on how things go, blame shifting happens, sometimes even without the developers were asked for their input.

True, but that part of the post was just me thinking out loud. I meant nothing bad, at least not towards Access.

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i can probably provide more details, if you explain what you exactly mean. the slow graphics in windows 7 for instance?

I probably wasn't clear; that was just an example. I have no problems with the GUI anymore since the last couple of VS updates. The problem is the cubase crashing on exit, and VC in the error log.

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ps. i didn't comment on the rest because i need to find out more, we eventually already addressed that issue in 4.5

Ok so this was/is a know issue? And v4.5 has this fixed?
That would be awesome.

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which ping pong match are you referring to?

marc

Seriously Marc? That's the part of the message you're replying to?

I'm referring to the issues which sometimes occur when a bug is found in one of two programs, in this case possibly VC or Cubase 5/6. When a user has a problem, and instead of help gets tossed from one company's support to another, neither wanting to acknowledge the problem on their end. Experience I had with more than one software company over the years, Steinberg included. Hence my hope that does not happen.

EDIT: The one I was referring to was the notorious VC x64 GUI problem; Access stated it was a cubase graphics problem, Steinberg said it was Access and refused to fix it. In the end, Access managed to get the GUI working. I know, because I've been reporting the problem to both companies support forums.

I've been having this problem for over 6 months now, and have been testing out all possible solutions I could think of.

Cause: Loading a custom template with prepared and connected VST's effects and routing, saving it (re-save or new file) and exiting program
Symptoms: windows Error dialog and close.

I've tried remaking the template, re-saving it, removing VST's one by one (by vendor/type), tried both x86/x64 versions of cubase and both C5/C6 versions. Still happens.

I should also note that my PC is rock solid stable, working flawlessly on a fresh installation of win7 SP1. I also have over 12 years experience in PC, DAW software and hardware troubleshooting, so 99.99% of possible typical causes are covered. All the plugins used in the template are high end, popular, regularly updated and compatible with both x64 and x86 versions of cubase (specifically: NI kontakt, omnisphere, virus control).

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Problem signature:
Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
Application Name: Cubase6.exe
Application Version: 6.0.1.270
Application Timestamp: 4d6c116a
Fault Module Name: Virus Control.dll_unloaded
Fault Module Version: 0.0.0.0
Fault Module Timestamp: 4cf67443
Exception Code: c0000005
Exception Offset: 3afd0372
OS Version: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.1
Locale ID: 1033
Additional Information 1: 0a9e
Additional Information 2: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789
Additional Information 3: 0a9e
Additional Information 4: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789

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Hopefully this won't turn into another ping-pong match between Steinberg and Access music. I've also posted the problem there, but this only happens with the template containing VC, and the virus is in the error log.

Any help is appreciated.

It works!

...for no reason whatsoever. I have no idea how/why it started working again, but I'm just grateful it does. After trying to get it into bios update mode multiple times yesterday (holding exit while plugging in would not get it into bios update mode) and failing to do so every time (Virus control center could not find it), I gave up. Nothing worked and the Ti showed no signs of life. However, I left it plugged in and then by some miracle after about 3-4 hours it just turned itself on and started up, like nothing ever happened. I couldn't believe my eyes. Actually though I was dreaming there for a second.
I'm glad it works now, but TBH I'm still uneasy as to what happened and could it happen again. It's not like it wouldn't start up once, it was clinically dead for a whole day and countless power on/off cycles. I'm kind of afraid to unplug it now, but it works so I'll look on the positive side

Thanks for the help and support everyone, and I'm keeping my fingers crossed I won't have to resurrect this topic in the future.

Zitat von P1-2K

it makes it even worse when you take precautions. I don't know how long you actually own the device. You have a 24 month product warranty. If so check: C:\Program Files\Access Music\Virus TI\Documentation\Addenda and look for the warranty.pdf for more information. Unfortunately that's all i can do for you. good luck man!...

Thanks...
I still have all the papers and warranty, but unfortunately I bought it September 2007. 3 years ago.
Died like clockwork. 1st year after warranty. Something I'd expect from a cheap sound card or dvd-rom, not from a 2500$ synth...

Damn it... And to think this is the only hardware synth I've ever wanted and the only one I ever bought in the 10 or so years producing. Knew it inside out before I ever touched one. Actually bough it with the 1st major fee I got from making music. My pride and joy with almost 600 of my home made presets... dead. And from what? Comfort?
Not to mention being unable to open any track I've worked on in the last 3 years (around 120 projects).

But still hopeful... contacted support, so maybe they know something we don't.

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Looks pretty bad! Seems like a serious hardware problem to me, I don't wanna take away all your hope but i would contact Access for this cause i don't think it's gonna be solved by holding the arp button or anything like that...

Thanks for the reply. And I really hope you're wrong... this happened for no reason whatsoever this morning. Didn't even unplug it, and it worked fine yesterday. I bought it brand new and never had any problems with the unit until now. Never even moved it from my desk. No update probs, no faulty LED's, nothing... Even bought that power socket adapter with a voltage surge protection just for my PC and the Ti to make sure nothing ever happens to them (although I've never had any power problems where I live).
I can't believe it would just die from normal use?

Still hope there might be a solution. Maybe Marc has an idea?

Just realized it this morning when the LCD started blinking for no reason. I tried unplugging/replugging it, nothing happens. No standby, no LED blinking on transpose, only a faint blinking of the LCD with nothing on it. When i press exit the LCD and BPM LED starts blinking like crazy, but nothing else.
I've uploaded a short video showing what happens:

Please help! I've got 95% of my projects tied to the Ti, and some deadlines coming soon, and can't afford to buy a new one!
I tried holding exit while plugging in. Also tried holding edit+arp. Nothing...

What else can I try? Any idea what the problem is?
Thanks in advance

Finally... a smooth and fluid GUI.

Thank you, Access and Marc.

So basically the search works for all the presets on the virus itself + all the presets on the PC HDD (in the default presets folder ofc)?

I don't mean only the ones on the virus itself. Thats what the VC search function is for. But we all have custom banks in the virus folder, and I'm trying to search through those presets. How is this done, and if not possible, how is this not possible!?

Thx

A "hardware vs software synths" thread and you're surprised it got flamed? You must be very green... so to save you some frustration, these are the questions you must never ask online:
1. What is better: hardware or software synths?
2. Which is better: Mac or PC?
3. What is the best TB-303 software emulation?

Why? Because many people feel quite strongly about the gear they use and they have to rationalize their choice and purchase to themselves, usually in any way possible. Hence why many people will defend their gear to death, even when they have zero arguments.
Got it? Okay.
Now that we have that out of the way, on to the thread topic...

The deceivingly simple answer to your question is: It's just down to taste and experience.
There is no better or worse sound. Hence the topic is kind of pointless. Like painters arguing about which color is the best...
Also, there is no single synth that does everything well. Hardware and software included.

Getting into this topic any further would result in an essay/rant, so I'm gonna stop here.
My advice: Use your ears and forget what others tell you. The best synth is the one you like, know how to use and get good results from; no matter if it's hardware or software, free or expensive.

And as far as the Ti is concerned, after extensively using VSTi's for 10 years, I bought the Ti a few years ago and it instantly became my #1 "go to" synth. I learned it inside out and can now make any sound I need from it. I still use some VST's for flavor, especially FM/digital VSTi's, but most of the sounds are from the Ti.

And finally... do you know anyone who would rather have sylenth than a Virus Ti?
Didn't think so.

Simple question. Anyone know?

I checked the "plugin information" in cubase and it says 4864 samples or about 100ms (?). This is huge, but when played within a project which uses 3-5ms asio latency, it feels significantly less (I tried a VST @ 100ms asio latency and it's completely unplayable). I also noticed the VST3 version of the Ti seems to have less latency @ 3072 samples.

So, what is the ACTUAL latency virus Ti plugin would add in a cubase project @ 44.1kHz (for simplicity, let's say the ASIO driver has zero latency)?

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summer holidays make it difficult for a team to work efficiently, all i can say is that in about 2 weeks, everybody involved will be back at work and we hopefully can finish things up. the big chunk of work is done already.

best, marc

Thanks Marc. Will try to keep the nagging to a minimum until then