Beiträge von papados

Your 2500 euros at their best..

Zitat von nms

88.2khz is an exotic sample rate? lol.. alright that's my cue.. I'm out. You can hang out and post in this topic but it's relating to something beyond your needs or understanding. You seem to have too much time on your hands but you could attempt to do other people the courtesy of instead involving yourself in discussions relating to things that DO tie into your needs and understanding.

I'm not going to bother bringing up sample rates again in this forum. The people who are concerned with that are generally not sitting around on the Virus forum killing time. .

I am way too late to the party but I agree on everything you posted on this forum. The problem is you are dealing with hobbyists and you let yourself get carried away. The virus dev team are out of touch with today's reality on professional new generation artists and tuned to the hobbyist crowd and some dinosaur era artists that is their main source of income. I had a studio session with a top beatport name a week ago and man oh man did virus end up nowhere in the track compared to Serum, Diva and Massive. If you want some peace of mind and a VA tha rivals todays modern plugins try the nord a1 (or the lead 4). Its the only thing that actually bares a modern sound engine and its half the price of the virus. It doesn't have the looks or the VST of the virus but its sound is up there with the greats.

Zitat von Marc

you're right and by this definition we are company which you can be proud of. we've released a gazillion of free feature updates in the last 8 years. everything from additional oscillators to filters to effects.
i know a fair share of companies who would have released a new hardware and made the additional features only work on the new revision.
best, marc

I am sorry but what you are selling is a 10 year old DIGITAL synthesizer. Have you even looked around in terms of new synth capabilities? Serum, Spire, Z3ta2, Dune2, Massive (which is an old synth now) i could go on.. Should you not updated it it would look archaic by now and why would anyone buy it? It is unbelievable that I should feel privileged to have a 10 year old digital synthesizer that cost me 2500 euros, updated when the very essence of digital software is updates and which still does NOT hold a candle to the capabilities of 150 euro plugins like Serum and Z3ta2. Have you noticed how detached the Virus is when it comes to modern dance music acts? The only artists you are quoting those days are either dinosaur-era bands that grew up with the virus or a bunch of chart-nobodies. Even hans zimmer himself compared the sound quality of the virus to the z3ta which is an 100 dollar synth. Have you ever been to the forums of gearslutz or kvr or any other website with professionals that are fighting a losing battle with VC every day. I was one of them till your email support team gave up on me and asked me to return the synth. I had to scavenge a perfect usb cable and usb hub for the virus to work on without failing.

You need to give us new classic waveforms. Keep the classic virus ones if you so desire and if people like that aliased weak sounding mess, but gives a modern classic saw sound to work on modern beatport productions. Not all of us use the virus for its grain capabilities which are awesome but out of the scope of music production on mainstream genres. Right now I have a virus ti2 serving me as a 2500 euro midi controller because spire and massive are just better in terms of modulation options (performer to name one) and Serum is just insane when it comes to Wavetables and classic waveforms that sound modern, edgy, full and clean. Not gonna talk about nord lead 4. If you want to listen how a modern sound engine on a VA sounds like, just give it a spin.

In the end why on earth am I supposed to feel excited of a 10 year anniversary of a 2500 euro midi controller that was relevant a decade ago and has a bunch of people on its dev team that are completely out of touch with a modern reality in productions. And yes I ghost produce for a bunch of beatport top 10 hits. I know what I am talking about. Good luck spotting an artist on those charts with even a singe sound coming from a virus in a 150 track production. And before you start with trance charts, trance nowadays is as relevant to the mainstream as the classic waveforms in the virus..

Ruari,

I unfortunately dont share the same way of thinking with you. I want a synth to be able to do as much things as it possibly can, given its price is 20 times more than its competitors.

Please keep in mind that when you use virus exclusively in the studio its all about Virus Control. Not its hardware side. Given your way of thinking Virus updates should have been stopped for years now just because you do not want your virus to be a complete tool and would rather fiddle with other synths.

I am not saying that there could be any synth as an end to all synths, but BASIC modern functionalities as a performer or some updated waveforms is not too much to ask. The only reason that the virus had stayed relevant over the years is its updates. Do not forget that. No-one would buy a virus if it was stil in OS 1 since its release in 2013. Not with the fierce competition going on those days.

I kindly ask you to leave this thread be if you don't want any more updates as this generates useless posts from both sides.

Zitat von Ruari

I massively disagree with these statements.

Would you mind posting your results then? Perhaps try re-creating some massive/spire sound with performer modulating filters or other parameters and you will quickly come to the same conclusion.

I am not melodramatic. I am not saying virus is a bad synth. I am saying it is behind times when it comes to modern electronic dance music because of an apparent lack of modulation options. I have already made my suggestions, maybe you didn't read the entire post while coming in bashing at me.

I am not familiar with the planet that you are living on, i am working with major labels and alot of new artists. Virus is great for film stuff or just classic sounds, not so much for the modern ones and i do not see why access keeps on ignoring it. If you think it compares to what massive can do in terms of modulation then you either not familiar with massive or the modern era of edm at all.

Lastly virus is not just a hardware synth. LOADS of people are buying because of its software side.

Just introduce advanced modulation options like NI Massive's/Spire's performer or the multiple modulation targets. Virus is already falling behind modern synths in terms of versatility. Just search around other forums and listen to what your users say.

No-one is going to be paying 2k for a synth that is behind in ANY factor than a 150$ synth. Give more MODERN tools to your users, more envelopes were a step in the right direction. Modulation should be next, add performers and give us a clean semi modular approach to modulation targets and sources. The matrix is not bad by any means but it cannot be compared to the power of massive.

Update your wavetables with some more modern ones. Maybe add a couple of classic oscillators close to what sylenth offers in terms of sound quality. It is sad to have weaker classic osc on my 2.2k euro synth than the ones found in a 150 euro one and having to resort to cheap tricks by using the hypersaw to alleviate that.. Come on its 2013...

Will anyone reply to this? Its kind of important..

Zitat von Ruari

Sorry, but that is simply not true

Oh isn't it now? Why dont you post some of your work achieving those kind of results with your virus or anyone doing it for that matter. Or maybe any mainstream modern electro track that hasn't been done with sylenth1, massive or omni?

Cause i can name dozens that do and none that uses a Virus.

If you want skrillex kind of stuff, forget about it, the virus is nowhere near the level of massive on those things. Or any really modern electro stuff for that matter..
There are no modern mainstream electronic artists that use the virus for a reason. Its good for other stuff though.

Also dont forget that those kind of basslines are heavy on the production too, its not just a simple synth sound that does all these.

So while i was programming some timbres, it suddenly hit me in the head.. And i guess i am not going to like the answer.

Pro Tools 11 are coming this fall, with 64 bit support (no 32 bit bridge) and the AAX format exclusively ..

Whats going to happen for all of us who are wokring in studios with pro tools and virus control? I havent seen any plans posted on this thing and it is going to be a huge pita if the virus control won't be usable anymore..

Yes marc thank you for acknowledging it and keep us posted. it is a major pita to work on 96k project with the virus right now. And believe me there are loads of them. Native got stronger and every studio is running 96k for breakfast.. Im going through hell to use the VC :-/

I really doubt that this thing can be done without a major re-write so i would never hold my breath if i were you guys. The virus has a very, veeery outdated synth engine.

There are 2 year old soft synths like DCAM that can run circles around it. Ivy bridge came out, imagine whats next

I have the same problem. It is not a lion problem, it seems to be an i7 mac problem. I ve got a 2011 mbp and after the hell i 've been through it all with the support (a very helpful and kind pal) in order to make the virus work (i literally went over 20 cables to get one working) only to realize i can only work on 44.1 or multiples of it (88.2 etc).

I could never make it work more than once or maybe twice in 48k. For every successful try there were 100 failures.. My mbp is bought from the u.s while my friend's one which i have run some tests too, is a european one so that excludes the possibility of having bad ports on my mbp.

It is certainly something that has to do with i7 macs.

http://virus.info/forum/index.…ad&postID=18790#post18790

I think the thread shouldn't have died there.. I had a recent experience about it i would like to share. It is found in that thread but since its buried at the moment it would be better to add it here too:

I dont think people should leave this thread die, i have been in the studio for the past month working on a project. When i needed to bring my virus in, i couldn't help but notice the weak oscillators after living in this studio with a moog little phatty, oberheim and a prophet.. I mean, the virus could be THE SYNTH. It lacked more envelopes and you are getting us that on the new update but you need to understand that the oscillators are lacking compared to the analog counterpart.

There is not much power and punchiness without effects, many people are hearing this, people that are knowledgable enough not some guys that had a synth or two. Wavetables can only do so much when we are talking about some sounds that you just want to use saws or squares..

You might think, yeah so what, thats the classic Virus oscillators take it or leave, its the character of the synth. Fair enough, just add another set of more aggressive, punchy typical classic oscillators. I mean with no fx the difference is clearly audible. The virus is such a versatile and strong synth, how can you leave such an important fundamental aspect such as oscillators out of the question? I doubt that a bootcamp with solve that. I tried everything for the shake of argument in that studio to prove those people wrong but well, i just failed. The engineer had a snow for years he knew the synth inside out and he couldn't do it either.

This could be the end of all synths with a better set of oscillators.. Its the king of modulation by having a modular approach to routing, the wavetables are VERY good, amazing collection, the formant synthesis is ground breaking, please consider A/Bing some voyager/oberheim what have you, even a roland and you will get the point of all those, people.

People might say you will never get close with a VA to such raw meaty punchy oscillators, but if you get the virus to use 96k internal and model those oscillators you will have the whole industry's jaws drop. You have to understand, soft-synths do come closer day by day, they already work at 96k, they already start to sound more analogue cause they are coming out each year and the developers are trying to create something groundbreaking all the time with better technology (see uhe Diva)

I dont think people should leave this thread die, i have been in the studio for the past month working on a project. When i needed to bring my virus in, i couldn't help but notice the weak oscillators after living in this studio with a moog little phatty, oberheim and a prophet.. I mean, the virus could be THE SYNTH. It lacked more envelopes and you are getting us that on the new update but you need to understand that the oscillators are lacking compared to the analog counterpart.

There is not much power and punchiness without effects, many people are hearing this, people that are knowledgable enough not some guys that had a synth or two. Wavetables can only do so much when we are talking about some sounds that you just want to use saws or squares..

You might think, yeah so what, thats the classic Virus oscillators take it or leave, its the character of the synth. Fair enough, just add another set of more aggressive, punchy typical classic oscillators. I mean with no fx the difference is clearly audible. The virus is such a versatile and strong synth, how can you leave such an important fundamental aspect such as oscillators out of the question? I doubt that a bootcamp with solve that. I tried everything for the shake of argument in that studio to prove those people wrong but well, i just failed. The engineer had a snow for years he knew the synth inside out and he couldn't do it either.

This could be the end of all synths with a better set of oscillators.. Its the king of modulation by having a modular approach to routing, the wavetables are VERY good, amazing collection, the formant synthesis is ground breaking, please consider A/Bing some voyager/oberheim what have you, even a roland and you will get the point of all those, people.

People might say you will never get close with a VA to such raw meaty punchy oscillators, but if you get the virus to use 96k internal and model those oscillators you will have the whole industry's jaws drop. You have to understand, soft-synths do come closer day by day, they already work at 96k, they already start to sound more analogue cause they are coming out each year and the developers are trying to create something groundbreaking all the time with better technology (see uhe Diva)

What do you mean by that? A hardware issue? I will contact them, thank you for answering

Hello everyone!

My problem started from the first day i tried to use my Virus ti2 Polar with my macbook pro early 2011 model.

95% of the time im trying to load the Virus control via Pro Tools 9 i get the error message that says: The Virus TI does not respond to request messages or the transmitted data is corrupt, Please be aware that the RAM banks in the browser etc etc.. Before it pops that error, i can see the following message going on and off for like 10 times on my polar's lcd screen: "Configuring Virus TI"

The other 3% of the time it manages to start up but i get a hiss on my speakers/headphones and it does not produce any sound (the TI) or i can play around with the sounds but its heavily noisy and unplayable.

Now for the rest of the 2% that i manage to start it up it works fine.

The only sort-of solution that i ve found, and it concerns that 2% of the times that i try to open the Virus Control, is using 44.1 or 88.2 khz in my session and interface (mbox 3 pro). While doing that, sometimes VC will open and play just fine.. And im quoting my self "sometimes".


It mostly refuses to play if my session/interface runs on 48 or 96khz whatever its own internal clock is set. I ve tried both 44.1 and 48 khz.. I ve only made it work 1 or 2 times in that freq..


I would also like to clarify that its updated to the latest 4.5.3 and that i havent tried plugging it in with an older OS, in case thats the problem. It is the only thing connected via usb to my macbook pro which is running on 10.6.9. I havent tried plugging another cable cause i dont have one around yet but i fail to see hows that the problem. I cant think of anything else to clarify so if you need more info please chime in!
Thanks everyone!