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I have addressed this topic before, but never really got an answer.

Specifically, how does everyone get around the fact that when you engage the live button (in VC) to record a new part, your other parts are knocked out of sync? To clarify, if you record a bass line on part 1 and want to record a lead on part 2, you must engage the live button to record without feeling the latency, which consequently knocks your other tracks out of sync. On my system it's only about a 16th note, but it can get kind of hectic when recording at higher BPMs and/or with many tracks.

Are you guys soloing the channels you want to record? Does it not matter for what you're doing somehow? Is there a workaround?

Thanks ahead of time for any suggestions you might have!

Sorry to be a Debbie Downer, but Hans Zimmer has confirmed that the Virus was only used during the Inception performance as a controller for Uhe Zebra.

Here's a link to that discussion (scroll down to Urs' post about halfway down): http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4172641

I'm sure the information is reliable because Urs is the Zebra product developer and Howard Scarr continually posts within the Uhe forum.

Hello,

I recently switched my global sample rate in Ableton to 88.2 and I'm a little confused regarding what frequency to set the Virus at. I am aware that SRC is easier in multiples of two, so I currently have the Virus set at 44.1. However, what I don't quite get is whether the Virus' sample rate represents the internal resolution, and therefore doesn't require any SRC in the first place. As a note, I am streaming my audio via USB (through Virus Control).

Thanks

Hmm... I can't quite remember if this is possible. I feel like you may be able to select from a very limited drop down menu under each soft knob, but I can't confirm this without being next to my Virus. Otherwise I'm pretty sure you have to go through the mod matrix (although I could be wrong).

I'm about 1,500 miles away from my Virus right now, but...

The way I do it is to assign one of the available midi CCs (i.e. 9, 12 etc.) to the parameter you want to effect in the mod matrix. For example, midi CC 12 to filter 1 cutoff. Then, go to the soft knob page and choose a name and assign the same midi CC used in the mod matrix. You of course don't have to use CC's exclusively as mod sources (you can use any of the available sources available in the soft knob page), but I do it that way to have control over the soft knobs with other controllers. You just have to make assignments in the mod page prior to assigning parameters to soft knobs. Hope this helps.

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Is it possibly Ableton's fault? I have seen a ton of complaints about Live having clock issues at the Ableton forum.

For instance: http://forum.ableton.com/viewt…hilit=fix+the+sync+issues

Whoa, Equinox beat me to it (I left my reply open for a while before submitting).

Equinox, those sound banks are the business! Good stuff.

While I'm no Hoover expert, a good place to start would be a hypersaw set to about 8 voices and detuned around the middle. I think most Hoovers also have a good dose of portamento. If I'm not mistaken, Howard Scarr's Virus tutorial has a section on Hoovers.

Yup, all good points Marc. And again, at the end of the day I don't think these tests matter too much. IMHO I have never found any other synth that can come close to the lushness of the Virus' pads, aliasing or not.

While I agree with the above post that we, perhaps, shouldn't become too clinical in our analyses, synthesizers certainly represent a fairly cerebral/technical take on music making. What I find the most curious is the difference between the TI and the C. I'd also be interested to know if the hypersaw was tested, as I have read that it aliases much less (I know that I prefer it to the classic oscillators).

In terms of the whole Virus vs. Zebra thing, I was tempted to switch at one point as the TI desktop literally costs ten times as much. I was nearly pushed to the edge when I found out that Viruses were only used as controllers for Zebra during the live performance of the Inception soundtrack (URL for non-believers: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/…=0&postorder=asc&start=15). However, after demoing Zebra quite extensively, I have come to the conclusion that the Virus sound cannot be replaced. This is by no means a shot at Urs, I use some of his other products but they are complementary to the Virus not replacements.

Additionally, within the same test pointed to by the OP (which can be found at KVR: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4339837), the results show that the TI supposedly aliases more than any of the other tested synth, including Reason's. This just reconfirms that tests aren't everything, because to my ears Reason's synths are generally lacking.

Is it possible? While the Live button is pretty nifty, engaging it globally bumps prerecorded parts out of sync. It would be really hand to be able to enable it per channel.

Thanks

Well, I have confirmed that the problem is actually coming from Live and not the Virus (although this discovery doesn't do me much good). Apparently Live's delay compensation syncs to whatever plugin induces the greatest amount of latency. I was able to reproduce the behavior described above (that I initially attributed to the Virus) with Vintage Warmer/ Ozone.

While I must recant my misdirected claim that the Virus was the cause of the issue, it nonetheless reconfirms my belief that Access should issue a patch editor version of VC. I have a patch editor for my Pulse (by Rekon) that works splendidly and doesn't introduce the sync issues that accompany VC. When I use the Virus through traditional MIDI, things are snappy and great, I just don't like editing that way (I am spoiled by VC).

So one more time with feeling, a version of VC that functions as a simple patch editor (no sync stuff) pretty please...

You know, I'm starting to wonder if my problems are actually coming from Ableton. I was just at the Live forum and another user posted a suspiciously similar issue, although different. This user is having issues syncing Maschine when other latency inducing plugins are loaded into his project. The only difference (besides him not using the Virus) is that the Maschine falls out of sync when the record button is disabled, the exact opposite of my problem This really makes me think that Live has some sort of delay comp issues.

Marc/Access, can you guys reproduce this behavior? It's as simple as loading VC into a Live project and then recording a part with any other VST that is using some type of sync info (arpeggios, LFOs etc.). Next, record enable the synced VSTI (as if to overdub) and if you have a problem like mine, it should fall about a sixteenth note or so out of sync. To get a better grip on what I'm saying, you can watch the youtube link in the post above.

It is worth noting that only the record enabled VST falls out of sync. It's almost like other plugins become like the Virus when the "live" button is switched off during realtime play. In fact, if I keep the live button on, the issue is minimized (as in Geist's metronome nearly syncs with Live's, with an extremely minimal offset - like a 256th note or something). Leaving the live button on is not a workable solution though, because then all my recorded Virus parts are not in sync.

Thanks

OK,

So I made a little video to illustrate the issue. Sorry for the quality, but I don't think it gets in the way of seeing the problem. This does not just happen with Geist, but with all plugins responding to sync. I guess I never really noticed before because things like arpeggios in Massive are a bit more sloppy sounding than percussion (with delays and what not).

Why, you ask have I continued to deal with sync issues? Well, I have dealt with support before, but have usually found work arounds or benefited from updates etc. For example, my Virus will not record in sync through the usb or analog outs (when using VC). Even though the Virus is seemingly on time, the audio file always begins around a quarter note late. The way I get around this is A. insert a "dummy" (no real signal processing going on) external effect in parallel with the virus (through an instrument rack) which forces Ableton to perform a realtime freeze (which is in sync for some reason). or B. Realtime record with monitoring set to "off," which obviously isn't ideal because you can't hear what's being recorded.

Hello,

Today I installed FXpansion's new Geist plugin and noticed some strange behavior when used in conjunction with the Virus. Namely, if I have VC loaded into an Ableton project, it knocks Geist out of sync when I try to record additional parts. In other words, Geist has an internal sequencer, and when I arm the record button in Ableton to access Geist's sequencer, it plays out of sync if the Virus is loaded within the project. I'm not sure if it's always been like this (I never really experimented with plugs that have their own sequencers before), but can confirm the same behavior with Stylus RMX.

This is really frustrating and after 4 (almost 5) consistent years of various sync problems I am at the end of my rope (which sucks because the Virus is my favorite sounding digital synth and I like the layout of VC).

Windows 7 32 bit
Live 8.2.1
VC 4.1.0.16
Not hooked up to a hub blah, blah, blah...

Ace17,

Thanks for taking the time to port your patch manager to vst! I'll try and check it out this week...

luciphercolors,

The problem that I have with the "D" button, or with using VC with the analog outs is that the latency (when playing, not during playback) is far greater than soft synths, my other hardware, or the Virus when used with no VC. The solution that Access have come up with is engaging the "live" button, which is fine, but it is also a global function so it knocks other recorded parts out of sync.

Again, my question is why does VC still introduce latency when using the analog outs?

You can certainly use the audio outs with VC (simply right-click over the part and select the desired out), however there is still a noticeable input latency when compared to using the Virus the "old-fashioned" way through midi.

In other words, when I run the Virus with no VC and simply use the "synth" option (the TI's port for handling midi through usb) and audio outs, the input latency is the same as my other hardware synths (not a problem). However as soon as VC is introduced, the latency becomes very noticeable and to play parts on time you must engage the "live" button, which will knock your other parts out of sync.

I'm starting to think that VC's syncing with the Virus hardware is what causes latency problems, although other vst editors don't seem to have this problem. I mean I understand the whole latency if you're using usb audio thing, but why is it so noticeable when using the analog outs? And more importantly, what's the fix? Does this somehow relate to keeping the TI's playback sample accurate?

As much as I appreciate the TI's knobby interface, I actually create patches faster through VC, so I would love to find a solution.

dwalke09, let us know what Access says...

Bump

Marc would you be willing to follow the stream of posts and chime in?

Thanks!

I am actually tempted to move part of my original post to the problems/troubleshooting section as I believe that input latency when using VC is more of a problem than feature request. I don't want to be a jerk and double post though.

So, I would really appreciate if someone from Access would be willing to chime in and confirm that VC somehow introduces latency, regardless of using the analog outs, and whether this can be fixed.

I guess I don't totally understand why vst editors from the likes of reKon and Midi Quest don't introduce latency and VC does?